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(01-23-2015, 01:36 AM)Paladin Wrote:
(01-22-2015, 08:40 PM)Kriven Wrote: If I could have an entire game of Water Temple that would be great. My favorite temple.

Uhm, do you mean the 3ds version? Because the original is so painfully slow that it's hard to enjoy the puzzles.

Considering the 3DS version of the Water Temple is exactly the same as the Nintendo 64 version of the Water Temple, I don't think it matters?

Anyway... I must admit I actually kind of like the 3DS port of Snake Eater

I'll probably like it more when the New 3DS comes out though
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(01-23-2015, 03:52 AM)Zero Kirby Wrote:
(01-23-2015, 01:36 AM)Paladin Wrote:
(01-22-2015, 08:40 PM)Kriven Wrote: If I could have an entire game of Water Temple that would be great. My favorite temple.

Uhm, do you mean the 3ds version? Because the original is so painfully slow that it's hard to enjoy the puzzles.

Considering the 3DS version of the Water Temple is exactly the same as the Nintendo 64 version of the Water Temple, I don't think it matters?

The iron boots are mapped to an item button, which vastly improves the flow of the game. Not
having to open the sluggish menu certainly helps.
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I haven't played OoT 3D yet, so I can't speak about it. I will say that switching to the equipment screen has never bothered me in either of the N64 titles. I actually like the pause menu... I think it's probably my favorite pause menu of any game. It comes up through the game, has very pleasant sounds, that shiny, crystal aesthetic design, and the way it's designed I imagine it as a cube as opposed to pages. I also don't mind breaking up the action that way. Gives me a chance to think about things.
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As much as Super Mario RPG is a fun, interesting game, it never appealed to me in the same way the other Mario RPGs do and it's a little overrated in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm sorry for writing a novel when I only wanted to explain my thoughts on Super Mario RPG. For the record, I don't hate the game by any stretch of the imagination. It's just that it doesn't live up to the hype I keep hearing about and doesn't need a direct sequel when its spiritual successors are vastly superior to the original game in more than one aspect.
(02-27-2014, 07:31 PM)Gors Wrote: DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SUCK. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SHOW YOUR SUCKY ART. I think this needs to go noticed to everyone, because sucking is not failing. Sucking is part of the fun of learning and if you don't suck, then you won't own at pixelart

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Kind of have to agree. I don't get why people love Geno so much, I think because he's stereotypically "cool" as a lot of people played the game when they were young he automatically became awesome to many. To be honest I think a lot of Mario RPG love comes from the fact that for a while, it was the only Mario RPG - and it never came out in the PAL territories, which always adds a bit of that "collectable/rare" hype (aka Radiant Silvergun).

Mario and Luigi is the far superior game in every way.
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Mallow's a way better character... I like Geno, he's kind of like the Seshomaru/Sasuke type of character, and that's always going to be an appealing archetype... but that's all Geno is--an archetype. Mallow actually has depth and growth and a reason for the player to be empathetic of his situation.

SMRPG is still my favorite Mario RPG, though. Its more traditional battle system is more enjoyable for me than Paper Mario or M&L (which are both still great), and I actually really like the art direction.
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(01-23-2015, 04:05 PM)Goemar Wrote: Mario and Luigi is the far superior game in every way.

What about the Paper Mario games? Even though the Mario & Luigi games have overworld exploration more akin to a usual Mario game and the battle system (particularly the counters and Bros. Moves) offers a lot more action, the Paper Mario games comes close to it. A lot of it's environments are enjoyable/creative, it's vast cast is extremely memorable, and the writing/storytelling is insightful as it is amusing. Plus, there's several creative puzzles in that game I always look forward to solving.

Anyway, the biggest admirable trait I have for the Paper Mario games is that it's not afraid to be different. Besides the fact that it tries different styles of gameplay to the point of actually risking critical and fan reception, it's whole premise sets it apart from any Mario game (or nearly any game for that matter) ever since the first game. Even though the idea of a Mario game made of paper sounds ridiculous on… Well… Paper, it actually makes for a fun RPG that tests the limits of paper itself.

Sure, I like the Mario & Luigi games as much as the next guy, but the Paper Mario games are in a special place for me since they defined me from an early age and possesses a gimmick that captivates me to this very day.
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Honestly, I would like the M&L franchise a lot more if they broke away from the... well, Mario & Luigi gimmick and gave us an actual party system.
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One the topic of Mallow and Geno, let me compare them to a pair of SNES RPG contemporaries: Kain and FuSoYa from FFIV.

FuSoYa, like Geno, is powerful, mystical, and arguably the most connected to the main plot of the story, having extensive knowledge of what is wrong and who the main enemy is.

Kain and Mallow, on the other hand, are more relatable characters with far more interesting and explored story arcs.

So in the end, I guess what is probably winning Geno fans over is his design, power and mystical qualities rather than story power alone.
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(01-23-2015, 05:26 PM)Kriven Wrote: Honestly, I would like the M&L franchise a lot more if they broke away from the... well, Mario & Luigi gimmick and gave us an actual party system.

Then it's not the same game at all???
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It definitely can be. The same battle mechanics, world progression, stats... The only change would be swapping out Luigi for Yoshi if I felt so inclined, or Mario for Toad. The battle system could still revolve around two party members and even include a plethora of team attacks depending on who you have partnered together.

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Totally different games?
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(01-23-2015, 07:49 PM)Kriven Wrote: It definitely can be. The same battle mechanics, world progression, stats... The only change would be swapping out Luigi for Yoshi if I felt so inclined, or Mario for Toad. The battle system could still revolve around two party members and even include a plethora of team attacks depending on who you have partnered together.

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Totally different games?

I had actually been thinking about this recently and I think I know a good reason this isn't a thing

In this example Luigi is swapped out for Peach. That's all fine and dandy so Mario uses A and Peach uses B

What about switching Mario out for Peach to get Luigi and Peach attacks

Now Peach uses A where she earlier used B

I know this is a lame problem (and not everyone would get tripped up by it) but one of the big things in the series is that Mario is controlled with A and Luigi is controlled with B, and having characters that swap which buttons they use would kinda go against that.

Of course maybe Peach can only replace Luigi, so characters are forced into particular slots

BUT DS games can use four buttons so a four-character party shouldn't be that big a deal. Four-button Action Commands worked in Partners in Time...
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Ah now you guys are heading into my dream fan game that I've always been dreaming up.

I ran into that same problem Zero Kirby. So I had it so that you could never swap out Mario. He's always A and everyone else is B. It would be too difficult to make "Bros" moves for that many different combinations anyway.

I figure it should be similar to how Paper Mario's party system works but with mechanics from M&L... a fusion of Paper Mario and M&L. With a party that included Luigi, Peach, Yoshi, Wario, Donkey Kong, etc. The ultimate Mario RPG!

Aw... but it'll never happen.

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(01-24-2015, 07:09 AM)Koopaul Wrote: Aw... but it'll never happen.

Well why not? Maybe a collaborative effort here could get it done.
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I've tried smaller collaborative efforts. Never get anywhere.

It's funny I think the community was more motivated to do stuff like that years ago. I remember the M&L spriting craze. Starpower and Frario did a ginormous collaboration with that Wario and Waluigi sheet. Sheesh what happened? I rarely see people working as a team anymore.

Er sorry this is way off topic.

Back on topic: I actually enjoyed Super Paper Mario despite it being heavily critsized.

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