oh boy, time to argue about mario lexicon on the world wide web 
It's sorta hypocritical that you're saying "Oh, Daisy's so awesome, what a great personality" when she's only starred in one "canonical" Mario game and that's as the fairly silent damsel in distress. It's about as effective as trying to shoehorn Waluigi into Mario canon - who doesn't really fit other than to exist as Scum Of The Earth (no, seriously - Mario God came down and when Waluigi turned 18, he gave Waluigi two choices: to not be the scum of the earth, or to be really good at sports and other intramural Mario activities. Guess which one he chose)
Sure, she's really loud and "Hi, I'm Daisy!" but that's not to say she'd just be as literally flat as any given Paper Mario character (literally flat, as in like a personality of paper)
That said, if he wants to explore the personalities of Daisy and/or the Koopa Bros and expand upon them, he can go right on ahead. Of course they're not going to be 100% par to the character - but that's the fun in fanworks.
...actually, I remember you quoting Miyamoto before on a topic similar to this, but it seems relevant atm.
Basically the general personalities of the characters wouldn't necessarily carry over from one game to another. And if E-Man's portrayal of certain characters/headcanon doesn't quite line up with "general Mario canon" or whatever, don't worry: what's important is that he's telling a story where the troupe of actors is portraying the role E-Man wishes to fulfill within his overarching storyline.
That said, E-Man, I honestly...wouldn't try to thread together the entire Mushroom Kingdom and attempt to make it work - like you don't have to worry about the Kremispheres etc. As of lately, DK just kinda jumps on out of the Kongo Jungle and goes to bizarre places and ends up back in the Kongo Jungle at the end. I'd try to just bring the Paper Mario universe together - like don't worry about Beanbean, don't worry about Sasarasa Land - just tell your story, and if Daisy acts a little strange, she's from a kingdom to the East of the Mushroom Kingdom where everyone's a bit more animated ;P
tl;dr throw lexicon out the window and do your thing. just don't fill the story with self-inserts and you're good to go
(05-28-2015, 03:22 AM)Koopaul Wrote: Its kind of silly to exclude Daisy. History? Why does she need a big history? Guess what Peach's history is? She gets kidnapped... A lot. Point is history doesn't matter much in Mario games.
Also you're basing this whole thing around the Koopa Bros... Who were only in one game! And didn't even play that big of a role in the game. I'd argue Daisy has a far greater presence in the Mario series than any character from an RPG. And Nintendo themselves probably value Daisy more than any one off character from Paper Mario.
She's an awesome character with so much personality but you won't include her for silly reasons. Also why overhaul her? She's already got more fun personality than Peach. She's fine as is.
It's sorta hypocritical that you're saying "Oh, Daisy's so awesome, what a great personality" when she's only starred in one "canonical" Mario game and that's as the fairly silent damsel in distress. It's about as effective as trying to shoehorn Waluigi into Mario canon - who doesn't really fit other than to exist as Scum Of The Earth (no, seriously - Mario God came down and when Waluigi turned 18, he gave Waluigi two choices: to not be the scum of the earth, or to be really good at sports and other intramural Mario activities. Guess which one he chose)
Sure, she's really loud and "Hi, I'm Daisy!" but that's not to say she'd just be as literally flat as any given Paper Mario character (literally flat, as in like a personality of paper)
That said, if he wants to explore the personalities of Daisy and/or the Koopa Bros and expand upon them, he can go right on ahead. Of course they're not going to be 100% par to the character - but that's the fun in fanworks.
...actually, I remember you quoting Miyamoto before on a topic similar to this, but it seems relevant atm.
Miyamoto, aka Mario Dad Wrote:If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon. They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games. It's more like they're one big family, or maybe a troupe of actors.
Basically the general personalities of the characters wouldn't necessarily carry over from one game to another. And if E-Man's portrayal of certain characters/headcanon doesn't quite line up with "general Mario canon" or whatever, don't worry: what's important is that he's telling a story where the troupe of actors is portraying the role E-Man wishes to fulfill within his overarching storyline.
That said, E-Man, I honestly...wouldn't try to thread together the entire Mushroom Kingdom and attempt to make it work - like you don't have to worry about the Kremispheres etc. As of lately, DK just kinda jumps on out of the Kongo Jungle and goes to bizarre places and ends up back in the Kongo Jungle at the end. I'd try to just bring the Paper Mario universe together - like don't worry about Beanbean, don't worry about Sasarasa Land - just tell your story, and if Daisy acts a little strange, she's from a kingdom to the East of the Mushroom Kingdom where everyone's a bit more animated ;P
tl;dr throw lexicon out the window and do your thing. just don't fill the story with self-inserts and you're good to go
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