07-16-2011, 08:23 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2011, 08:53 PM by DavidCaruso.)
Well I was going to stop posting in this topic after that last post but okay 
Bad phrasing sorry. What I mean by "don't care" is that, although of course the character design does matter a bit to me, the issues here are at odds with what I'm actually focusing on the most when playing the game (or any 3D action game): kicking tons of ass, executing complicated manuevers, etc. In the hands of a skilled player any action game character is "capable," but oh wait Bayonetta's only capable because she's sexy (Sarah Palin is the epitome of sexiness right? Maybe they should have made it a guy instead, could be a 60s hippie so he could still do hair attacks). But the fact that I give this less priority than you doesn't mean my opinion is suddenly invalid, and obviously I cared enough to write a post about it. And the reason morality doesn't matter to me in videogames is because many of the best videogames focus on immoral acts such as killing, blowing things up, building a civilization to dominate all others whether they like it or not, etc. (and this is no coincidence) so it seems dumb to me to single one taboo thing out. The same generally goes for movies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy
Also extremely insulting to men. Apparently now every heterosexual man is a CoD-playing fratboy who goes to bars on the weekends to sleep with random chicks, viewed through beer goggles, and the ones that aren't want to be that man. (EDIT: To clarify, what I mean is that the only people who would actually say those types of things would be these people, or "dudebros" as I've heard them called; they're a minority, even if they're definitely a group that's being pandered to.)
Uhh what? I was referring to videogame characters in that post, not real people. Their personalities are generally one-dimensional, whether they're male or female, and most of the time they're just empty vessels for the player, any stylish designs or things they do in the movies that play inbetween the actual game notwithstanding. It'd be much more productive for your movement to be focused on creating "strong female characters" in real life than to complain when the cameraman films an ass shot of Angelina Jolie.
Oh shit not another catch-22! I have "male privilege" so if I look at a situation and see that maybe it isn't nearly as bad as the bloggers at the fair and balanced source of finallyfeminism101 say it is then it is just an effect of my sociocultural upbringing, putting me at a clearly dominant position (despite being incredibly scrawny and not even white, never mind that, all males are the same), and I can't win either I guess. Meanwhile the same bloggers equate "female privilege" with "benevolent sexism." I guess I only see a problem with that because of my male privilege?
Anyway I'll duck out here for now because I'm pretty sure no one else is going to agree with me and I feel like all I do on here is get involved in debates. Unless someone tells me to fuck off again or something, anyway.
Quote:Fuck you. If you 'don't care', about an issue, your opinion on said issue doesn't hold weight.
Bad phrasing sorry. What I mean by "don't care" is that, although of course the character design does matter a bit to me, the issues here are at odds with what I'm actually focusing on the most when playing the game (or any 3D action game): kicking tons of ass, executing complicated manuevers, etc. In the hands of a skilled player any action game character is "capable," but oh wait Bayonetta's only capable because she's sexy (Sarah Palin is the epitome of sexiness right? Maybe they should have made it a guy instead, could be a 60s hippie so he could still do hair attacks). But the fact that I give this less priority than you doesn't mean my opinion is suddenly invalid, and obviously I cared enough to write a post about it. And the reason morality doesn't matter to me in videogames is because many of the best videogames focus on immoral acts such as killing, blowing things up, building a civilization to dominate all others whether they like it or not, etc. (and this is no coincidence) so it seems dumb to me to single one taboo thing out. The same generally goes for movies.
Quote:There's what's called the "Madonna-whore complex" (sometimes called the "virgin-whore complex"), which is this idea that women have to simultaneously be chaste and sexually available.
If you're open about your sexuality you're "aggressive", "unladylike", "slutty", "asking for it" etc
if you're not particularly open about your sexuality, you're "frigid" "a prude" "in need of a good dicking", etc
basically: women can't win.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy
Also extremely insulting to men. Apparently now every heterosexual man is a CoD-playing fratboy who goes to bars on the weekends to sleep with random chicks, viewed through beer goggles, and the ones that aren't want to be that man. (EDIT: To clarify, what I mean is that the only people who would actually say those types of things would be these people, or "dudebros" as I've heard them called; they're a minority, even if they're definitely a group that's being pandered to.)
Quote:Treating women like people = political correctness
yeah, ok.
Uhh what? I was referring to videogame characters in that post, not real people. Their personalities are generally one-dimensional, whether they're male or female, and most of the time they're just empty vessels for the player, any stylish designs or things they do in the movies that play inbetween the actual game notwithstanding. It'd be much more productive for your movement to be focused on creating "strong female characters" in real life than to complain when the cameraman films an ass shot of Angelina Jolie.
Quote:Also it's very easy to shrug off -isms as "political correctness gone mad!!!" when you're not the one affected.
Oh shit not another catch-22! I have "male privilege" so if I look at a situation and see that maybe it isn't nearly as bad as the bloggers at the fair and balanced source of finallyfeminism101 say it is then it is just an effect of my sociocultural upbringing, putting me at a clearly dominant position (despite being incredibly scrawny and not even white, never mind that, all males are the same), and I can't win either I guess. Meanwhile the same bloggers equate "female privilege" with "benevolent sexism." I guess I only see a problem with that because of my male privilege?
Anyway I'll duck out here for now because I'm pretty sure no one else is going to agree with me and I feel like all I do on here is get involved in debates. Unless someone tells me to fuck off again or something, anyway.