Rev Up Those Sonic Cycles

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Sonic + Altered Beast + Ristar = Sonic Unleashed

Try adding God of War there. The Werehog's gameplay is a pretty blatant copy of it, specially in the 360 version with the QTEs.

Just adding that I actually really like Cream as a character and as far as playing as her had been. She just felt like she was taken out of the same mold the Pre-Adventure cast had been taken from, and fit really well.

I like Cream too, she's a pretty good character in my book! She's actually believed to be based off "Feel", which was one of the many characters made to be Sonic. It's a fast rabbit that can pick things with his ears and throw them.



They decided that the grabbing mechanic didn't fit the fast-paced nature of the game too well, so they discarded it and later on re-used the concept for Ristar. Cream can throw her Chao to destroy enemies much like Feel could throw objects on enemies.

*ahem* BEWARE OF EXCESSIVE AND POSSIBLY OFFENSIVE RANT

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End rant

I already feel better.

I'm only going to leave 1 more reply in this topic, and it'll only be aimed towards the most intelligent questions for me. After that, I NEVER wish to discuss my opinion towards the series ever again.

Uhh, what

How can the different interpretations of a character have anything to do with everyone not liking a game. (???)

Also, are you arguing that the original games were only good because of nostalgia and peer pressure? Because I can say for myself that I'm the living example that you're very very wrong. Back some years ago I only really liked Sonic 3 out of the classics, and I really loved Sonic Adventure, Adventure 2, Sonic Rush, Secret Rings... As I grew up and matured, I started changing my tastes and realizing that some of the games that I really liked back then not only did not hold up to the test of time (I had no desire to replay them whatsoever), but I realized how poor and cheap some of them were structured, and also started playing the classics. I didn't like Sonic CD at first (thought it was just a 'buffier' version of Sonic 1), but then when I replayed it a year later, I just loved it. Replayed it one more time after a year and I started loving it for more reasons than what I originally did.
I didn't like Sonic the Hedgehog or Sonic the Hedgehog 2 at first. Then I started replaying Sonic the Hedgehog and each time I did, I started 'getting' the game more, and also enjoying it more - it is an incredible game that shows that you can create a really great game while still being gimmicky (the reason why it's speed-based, the many rings falling out of the character when hit, the rotating special stages - these were all 'gimmicks' to show what amazing things the Genesis could do that nobody have seen so far and to attract people's attention to it, and the best thing is that they designed all those things to have meaning to the gameplay and the game design of it, and that's awesome).
Then Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - I had a bit of hate for it because I thought it was really overrated, and all other classic games were better than it - because the levels seemed to be so much more straightforward than the other classic games, but I was wrong to quickly dismiss it. As I gave the game some replays (it happened this year btw) I just started to enjoy it more and more - sure, it is a bit more straightforward and not as good as Sonic 1, but it still had that same great gameplay and design, while offering more levels and more variety. And I realized that Sonic 3 & Knuckles - the game I loved the most, wasn't all that great, sure, it had a bunch of more features and the levels were three times the size of those in Sonic 1 and 2, but you spent five times the amount of time in them to succeed, so therefore, they didn't have that many splitting paths than the levels in Sonic 1, 2 and CD, and didn't exactly follow the speed = skill and skill = speed design of the other classics did, although it had great level design, visuals, a bunch of cool features that the games before it didn't have, and it rewarded for exploring stages - which was really fun to do, too.

And yes, you're right, most games tried to offer different gimmicks (your list of 'gimmicks' is pretty off the mark and shallow btw), but the difference is in whether they're good or not. Alien landscapes and different alien powers that you can unlock to use them in previous levels to get to places you previously couldn't? That's awesome. Controlling three characters at once with terrible controls and abilities that are there mostly to get through artificial obstacles? Nope! As I said, I just want good games, games that are enjoyable, that have good and thoughtful design. You don't see people complaining that Super Mario Galaxy isn't Super Mario Bros. 3 or Super Mario 64. Why? Because it's really fucking good. Sonic 2006 could have been about Classic Sonic, featuring Mighty, Fang, the original Chaotix crew, could have had the same pop-art sort of artstyle from the classics and have an actually decent story, but it would still be a terrible game. Why? Because it's an unfinished mess of a game, regardless of being new Sonic or not.

Also, you can't generalize Sonic fans. Take a look at the classics - they all have the same gameplay on its core, but they have different designs, directions and features. If those were the only games released, fans would still argue which one would be the best and a consensus would still be hard to achieve. Now, look at the plentitude of different interpretations of the guy. You have japanese classic Sonic, you have american classic Sonic, you have modern Sonic, you have 4 different comics, 4 different TV shows... It is a mess, hence why you'll rarely see any consensus on most fans, and why there is so much discussion about it - It honestly does make me kinda sick as well (ironically coming from the one who's spending hours writing about it), but yeah :B

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oh shit, I can't believe that i just noticed that after writing all this shit up. "i'll post this and read the most intelligent (read as: the ones that agree with me) answers!!" *someone calls him out* "oh no!! *leaves thread*"