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(11-19-2015, 07:58 PM)Lemonray Wrote: Oh, and something else worth remembering. From the islamic viewpoint, religion and politics are not seperate but intertwined. Muhammed's intent was for this connection to be impossible to break apart. Meaning, the religion is the state, and the state is the religion. And the muslim state/nation itself, the Umah, is not though of as being restricted by land or manmade borders, instead it is a worldwide collective every muslim is supposed to be a member of. This is something Muhammed lifted from the ancient jewish concept of a nation, although ever since Muhammed kicked the bucket, the muslims have been doing a not-so-great job of holding it together in comparison to the chosen people.

Soooo back then, what I'm taking from this is that Muhammed viewed church and state being on equal terms - they work in tandem (which I guess Shariah law comes into play to enforce the rules in a Muslim fundamentalist country) ...but the Ummah is basically the "nation" or a "community" that every Muslim is a part of. Around the time of Islam's conception, most of it was practiced in the Middle East/Africa so it was entirely possible for "ummah" to be understood as a borderless nation then.

ok

and then we have countries like Turkey and Indonesia that are predominantly Muslim, but have a separation of church and state (as most modern goverments do)
but they're not harshly following Islamic law (it was abolished in Turkey in 1924, and is regionally exercised in Indonesia) to the extent of which Middle Eastern radical fundamentalist groups do.
Also as there's several people who practice religion alongside Islam - namely Christians and Jews, known in Islam as "people of the book". Since they recognize the God of Abraham, [YHWH] (like Muslims do!) and practice faiths based on a set of divine rules...they're usually given a pass in places which practice Sharia law (like places who practiced early Islam) Muslim people in theory are OK with them.
It's just we had asshole Christians who refused to accept that title (because "y'know, we don't just worship things from a BOOK" and uh, the whole fact that Christians were total radical shitheads during the Crusades and whatnot. I'm p.sure that's what Daesh uses as political ammunition tho)

am I missing something here? I feel like I'm missing something here


(11-19-2015, 07:58 PM)Lemonray Wrote: Update: Mayhem in Mali. Jihadists took nearly two hundred hostages and apparently executed some people who weren't able to recite quranic verses. The local forces have already entered the hotel but it looks like they're still not sure how many jihadists are involved. Some hostages are now confirmed safe thankfully. It's not IS, but a different group of pro-sharia fighters.
I HEARD ABOUT THIS. Did anyone take credit for it? Like, not Daesh or Boko Haram or anyone? Or is it literally just random pro-sharia fighters?

EDIT:
CNN Wrote:Al Mourabitoun, an Islamist militant group, claimed it was jointly responsible for the attack, according to Mauritanian news agency Al Akhbar. The group announced it carried out the attack with al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), the news agency reported.
o-oh. I didn't realize al-Qaeda had that kind of reach o.o
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Shit is happening - by Lexou Duck - 11-13-2015, 07:22 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by DioShiba - 11-13-2015, 07:43 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by psychospacecow - 11-13-2015, 07:57 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by NICKtendo DS - 11-13-2015, 08:07 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by TomGuycott - 11-13-2015, 08:11 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Kosheh - 11-13-2015, 08:27 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Dazz - 11-13-2015, 08:11 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lexou Duck - 11-13-2015, 08:12 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Gors - 11-13-2015, 08:39 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Virt - 11-13-2015, 09:22 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Shade - 11-13-2015, 09:37 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by ~Axis~ - 11-15-2015, 11:07 AM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lexou Duck - 11-15-2015, 05:27 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Kosheh - 11-15-2015, 05:57 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lexou Duck - 11-15-2015, 06:42 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Kosheh - 11-15-2015, 08:44 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 11-16-2015, 08:54 AM
RE: Shit is happening - by psychospacecow - 11-16-2015, 09:18 AM
RE: Shit is happening - by Kosheh - 11-16-2015, 11:40 AM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 11-16-2015, 04:07 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by ~Axis~ - 11-16-2015, 09:10 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Kosheh - 11-19-2015, 03:58 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 11-19-2015, 07:58 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 11-21-2015, 07:33 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Gors - 11-16-2015, 11:39 AM
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RE: Shit is happening - by ~Axis~ - 11-16-2015, 03:39 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Helmo - 11-16-2015, 05:51 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by psychospacecow - 11-16-2015, 07:16 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 11-16-2015, 10:28 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 03-11-2016, 12:16 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Kosheh - 03-11-2016, 03:54 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 07-09-2016, 03:44 AM
RE: Shit is happening - by Kriven - 07-09-2016, 12:07 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 07-09-2016, 02:44 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Koh - 07-09-2016, 06:19 PM
RE: Shit is happening - by PatientZero - 07-09-2016, 08:05 PM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 07-10-2016, 02:06 AM
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RE: Shit is happening - by Lemonray - 07-10-2016, 02:26 AM
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RE: Shit is happening - by PatientZero - 07-10-2016, 01:19 PM
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